Question: If love is death of ego, then how will we live? Man is made of only these things. So, the only thing left will be ‘soul’. So we can say that we have moksha(liberation).
Speaker: The question is: If love is death of ego, then a loving man will be just soul. So, is love moksha (liberation)?
Everything that you just said, is a concept in your mind. Ego lives on concepts, ego lives on thoughts. Concepts are thoughts. What is the definition of a ‘concept’? Where you define A, in terms of B, A=f (B), and you define B, in terms of C, B=f(C), and you define C, in terms of D, and ultimately, everything is defined in terms of everything else, and nothing has any independent definition of its own. That is the definition of a ‘concept’.
So what is ‘love’? Death of the ego. And what is ‘ego’? Loveless-ness. ‘Love’ is defined in terms of ‘ego’, ‘ego’ is defined in terms of ‘love’. And what are both defined in terms of? – That you have no idea of. Because there is nothing independent in your life, hence there is no independent definition in your life either.
Then you said, “Moksha,” enlightenment, emancipation, whatever that means. Now what does that mean to you? Again, egoless-ness. Whatever you are saying, is just ego. What do you mean by ‘death’? What do you mean by ‘love’? Don’t start with all that. Don’t go into fancy words like ‘enlightenment’.
The only thing, that is close to you, as you are, is your daily self. Just observe it. Sitting on that chair, continuing with your daily life, you will neither know ‘ego’, nor ‘love’, nor ‘enlightenment’. You will have to observe your daily life. You will have to, first of all, come to the fact of the ego, not to the concept of ‘ego’.
Coming to the concept, is something that the ego really likes, because concepts are the diet of ego. It flourishes upon them. Keep feeding concepts to the ego, and ego says, “Yes, yes. I know more. I know about love also. I know about enlightenment also.”
Start with knowing, how you are living. That will bring you to the direct fact of the ‘ego’. Coming to the direct fact of the ego, you will know how to proceed. And as you proceed from there, love, and realization, do not then, remain mere words.
But before you proceed towards the solution side, the side of ‘love’, ‘freedom’, and ‘realization’, you first of all, have to encounter, the problem side. Because it is only from the problem, that the solution can emerge. When you come close to the problem, you have also come very close to the solution.
Are you getting this?
Come very close to how you operate daily. Come very close to it. That is ‘ego’. Ego is not a thought, or a concept, or a framework. What is ‘ego’? ‘Ego’ is how you operate in your daily life. Your sense of – I AM. You wake up, and you say, “I am going to work.” Then you say, “I am going to earn.” Then you say, “I am going to meet my friends.” Then you say, “I am going to play.” The entire day is a succession of activities that this I AM, is absorbed in. The very movement of I AM, is ego. That is the point to start.
See how you live. Don’t talk about it. Just see how you live. When you see how you live, then you have really come upon ‘ego’. I am repeating. Do not have thoughts about the ego. Ego is not something ‘out’, ‘there’ (pointing outwards), imaginary. Ego is something, ‘in’,’ here’ (pointing inwards). And you have to watch it, in action.
You have to see the ways of the ego. It is not something static. It is always functional. It is always ‘doing’. That is why I said, “It is a movement.” The ego is always restless, and is hence, always involved in some kind of an activity or the other.
You have to watch your activities. Watching your activities, you see, ‘the ego’. Or let us put it this way. When you watch yourself, whatever you see, is called ‘the ego’. When you watch your self, whatever you see, is called, ‘the ego’. This watching is sufficient, at least for now. Out of this watchfulness, much more is known, much more becomes clear, much action results.
But we cannot talk about that action, right now. If we talk, that would be just imagination. All that action, all that realization, all that clarity, depends first of all, on a clear observation of what we are, what we are doing; an impartial, unbiased, attentive observation of the self. That is what the ego is.
Otherwise, you will be left making grand and conceptual statements, like this, that – love is the death of ego. We don’t even know the ‘ego’, how can we know about the ‘death of the ego’? Do you know ‘ego’? Here is a test.
Knowing ego is freedom from the ego.
Are you free from the ego?
You find yourself in the clutches of your daily routine and pattern, all the time, right? That is ego. How are you free from the ego? You find it so difficult to go against your grain. How are you free from the ‘ego’? And if you are not free from the ego, then you do not know ‘ego’.
So, first of all, know it. Thankfully, the ability and the faculty, to ‘know’ is there with you. That which you need to observe, is always happening. You need to observe life, which is always on. So observe.
And then, you will not only know ‘ego’, you will also know ‘love’ and ‘realization’.
~ Excerpts from a Samvaad session. Edited for clarity.
Read more articles on this topic:
Article 1: Knowing ego is freedom from ego
Article 2: Will the Ego let go of the Ego?
Article 3: Love scares the ego
Article 4: Will egolessness make me worthless?
Watch the session at: Observing the world, one comes to the ego. Observing ego, one comes to the Self